After, my skin sagged low, a winter coat
on a pretty blue wire hanger. Abortions don’t hurt.
What hurt is the after, my mother’s coyote stare,
the red flush of my skin, the way Brooklyn bit back.
What hurt is the dirty mirror in the clinic bathroom,
the raccoon eyes, the silence of November. I did not
feel my body for two thousand days, called diners
out of state, ordered food for made up people.
I don’t like my lips anymore.
My mother’s hand a wrench around my wrist,
mean coyote eyes, forced me to stare at the sun.
I don’t like thinking about raspberries or peas
or any small, small things.
I don’t like to let down my long hair,
leave it braided, a rope to keep me attached to shore.
I leave rabbit ears on library shelves, call made up people
out of state, touch my arms but feel the inside of my thigh.
There is a grave of elephant bones in my body.
I have phantom limbs, like the soldiers who tasted napalm
in airplane peanuts, the wives who drop diamonds
in the garbage disposal after the funeral,
the mothers who lose children
in freak accidents on Ferris Wheels,
in pale blue draft cards, in clinics in Brooklyn
with smudged bathroom mirrors and dead
pink fish rotting in the sink.
I had a question similar to one you answered earlier, but in my case, I would be certainly be absent for two weeks. Do you think it would still be worth it to apply, or would I just be wasting everyone's time?
no it’d be gucci i think. most of the work is done on your own like you’ll get a weekly syllabus and as long as you do ur hw and upload it at a later time you’ll be fine.
I want to join this workshop so terribly, but I'm an amateur writing and don't really think my writing is up to par with all the people who will be applying :/
so apply!!!! you don’t decide if you’re amateur or if you’re bad or if you aren’t good enough. your job is to write honest work. that’s it. apply and if you get in then it’ll be so wonderful and you’ll have a kickass time learning and teaching and writing and you don’t get in, it’ll suck yes, but rejection is healthy and normal and you’ll be stronger and probably have more determination to be a better writer.
(after i get rejected from some place, i write like 10 new pieces just so i can be like “u will not stop me!!!!!” internally)
if you don’t apply you will never know if you’re work could have gotten in. just take a chance srsly don’t miss an opportunity bcus of your own self-doubt.
I was thinking of applying to the WTR summer workshop but I don't know if I should bc I've been rejected by WTR (and similar journals) for writing that I would apply with.
yo so my pank story goes like this. i sent them stuff, they rejected me. i sent them more stuff, they rejected me. i sent them even more stuff and then they accepted me. it took 3 tries before i got in so DEF apply/submit to wtr again, like it’s not really common to get into a journal on the first try and idk i’m a firm believer of applying to like every opportunity i can regardless of whether or not i’ll get in or get it. bcus like if you get in then WOOO you got in and if you don’t get in then who cares, write more and apply again or apply elsewhere like rejections really don’t matter in the long run, what matters is whether you give up after getting one. :]
So I applied for the writers workshop, but I'm gonna be at a camp away from technology for a week right in the middle of the workshop. Will I fall behind or get kicked out if I can't be active for a few days? I can still write there, but no internet.
No that’s totally fine. As long as you let us know you’ll be okay. :]
hi! i saw where it said that experience wasn't necessarily required, but would you personally recommend WTR's summer workshop for people who are just starting out? I'm only 16 and have never done anything like this before so I don't want to feel like a piece of trash wading in a sea of 20-something Emily Dickinsons lol
LMFAOOO PIECE OF TRASH WADING IN A SEA OF 20-SOMETHING EMILY DICKINSONS THAT’S REALLY FUNNY I LOVE YOU
anyway, yeah def apply!!! it literally all comes down to the writing to be honest. i know 14 year olds who write better than me. i know 14 year olds who write better than most of the 30 year old writers i know lol. age and experience doesn’t really mean anything at all. that’s like one of wtr’s main principles. we don’t care about where you’re from or whether you have a writing degree or how old you are or any of that other stuff. the quality of the work you’re producing is what matters. :]
Is there a minimum requirement for the WTR workshop writing sample? I know it says up to 10 pages, but is there a specific amount you recommend submitting?
not really! you could send like one poem or one page of prose if you really want to but we want to see a lot of your work so we can really understand different aspects, your strengths and weaknesses etc etc. if we have 10 people who are GREAT at imagery but aren’t too fab at dialogue then we won’t really learn from each other. the more work we see, the better we understand your style. :]
what are the chances of getting into the workshop?
not rly sure! depends on how many apps we receive. me and the other staff members who are giving out prompts and starting discussions (basically the workshop “leaders” but i don’t want to use that word bcus we’re not actually gonna be leading very much, more like workshop catalysts anyway) will be reading applications and discussing them and deciding based on the writing sample and level of interest. we want to keep this pretty small so we’ll probably take 15-20ish people overall. :]
is the wtr workshop going to be a lot of work/take up a lot of time/be super duper intense and formal?
hm so it’s not like you’re gonna be writing essays or term papers like most prompts will have you write for 10-15 minutes a day or something but this is something that really requires a lot of enthusiasm because you’re gonna need to comment and critique your fellow workshoppers work and also participate in group convos and stuff. in terms of formality, it’s gonna be really chill tbh i’m not a very formal person and i don’t have the patience to be extremely formal all the time so yeah you can talk colloquially and use slang or whatever like i don’t care. it’ll be intense as in your fellow workshoppers (hopefully) will be people who really care about writing and want to talk about it and learn from others and read poetry/prose/literary magazines etc etc on their own time and have favorite prose/poetry writers and really love their craft and want to improve. it’ll probably take an hour or two every couple of days. there won’t be any skype talks or anything and “homework” will probably take 20 minutes a day so there isn’t really too much of a time commitment but it’s still something that needs to be taken seriously.
i think it’s really gonna be a lot of fun like i just really enjoy reading good writers and giving and receiving feedback from good writers and talking about good writing etc etc so if that’s how you want to spend part of your summer definitely apply! :]
I've been abandoned by my friends, and have pushed the ones that no longer fit away. I feel alone. I feel like no one actually cares about what will happen to me. My relationship with my family is nonexistent, and the loneliness is crushing me. I thought I had a girl, but she's been avoiding me. I'm trying to remember why I wake up every morning, but I can't think of any reason to.
i’m really sorry that sucks so much ugh
so this might be dumb advice but i literally use this mantra whenever i’m having a tough couple of days or weeks or months: this will pass
like everything, every situation is temporary. your friends and family suck? at some point you’re going to meet new people who are REALLY rad and who love you a lot and yes things suck SO much right now and it feels like nothing is working and you feel like just giving up but DONT!! just pls get through this because it really will pass and good things happen every day and you’re gonna one day wake up and be like “wow im so excited everything is great im so fucking happy” and its gonna happen I PROMISE!!! but you have to make it to that moment ok just keep pushing through <3 <3
do things that make you happy!! whatever they are. walk a dog or eat a lot of yogurt or watch 12 hours of tv or go to a club and get really drunk or plant a tree. do whatever makes you happy and enjoy it and fuck people for right now. focus on you for a bit<3
keep waking up keep pushing through keep going ily and hmu if/whenever you want to talk/need help
How exactly does the summer workshop program work? Like will there be web chats, or just assignments that we have to turn in by a certain date? I guess I'm just confused about how the schedule of it will work?
So basically workshoppers will upload their work to Submittable every time an assignment is due and then other workshoppers will review the work and make comments and talk about it on Submittable (there’s a space to do so on individual pieces) and we’ll also have a week or so towards the end where we focus on just editing and on how to edit work and different types of revision. We’ll also read pieces of poetry and prose and discuss them on a Facebook page and basically just have cool discussions about writing and what makes writing good and what is “bad” writing and the differences between poetry and prose and other topics. There’s not going to be like any real “teachers”, like all the staff helping run the workshop are also participating so it’ll be this great month and a half long clusterfuck of essentially nonstop writing and reading and then in the end we hope you have a couple of pieces you really like. :]
OH MY GOSH YOU GOT JEANANN VERLEE TO READ FOR WINTER TANGERINE YOU GO GIRL YOU DESERVE ALL OF THE PRAISE LOOK AT YOU RUNNING A REAL LIFE LITERARY MAGAZINE AND GETTING WONDERFUL PERFORMERS FOR YOUR PEOPLE
So I got into this local arts high school so I get to go there for two years and write three hours a day, and I'm really excited. I just found out and you probably don't care because you're a complete stranger but I just felt like you might want to know because I love your poetry.
I so desperately wish I had gone to a high school for the arts I feel like I’d be a much happier person if I did
But congrats boo omg that’s so great you’re gonna write all the time an it’s gonna be great and you’re gonna be great woooOOOO
white girls can’t wear bindis because in sixth grade one time i was dropped off at school by my aunt who was wearing a bindi at the time and some girl’s mom whispered to her friend how she would never let her daughter play with me because my family had probably been happy about 9/11 and then four years later that daughter showed up to school wearing a bindi as part of her “”“boho”“” look
What's the point in writing when the ones closest to you turn their nose up and force you in another direction? They fear for my future, but it's me who has to live it, and my will to create withers under their every glare, my happiness dims with their disapproval. I have enough problems. I shouldn't even try writing. There's so many better than me
For me, writing isn’t about making a living out of it or becoming super famous and successful, I write because I literally have to. Writing is extremely cathartic to me. It’s a very solitary medium of art, and like all other art forms, very very personal. It doesn’t matter if someone is “better” than you. It doesn’t matter whether you publish a book or win a contest or get into a journal. Write for yourself. Write because you love to write. Never stop writing because someone tells you not to. Never write for others. That’s how you exploit art and how you demean it and you disvalue it. Even if writing is not something you’ll do as a “career”, enjoy it for what it does for yourself. Let writing spread good vibes + cleanse your soul + make you happier.
On the subject of cultural appropriation.. what do you think of people who wear crosses as fashion statements? Is it okay to casually dress yourself in symbols from one culture/religion but not from another? And what about if, for instance, someone of an ethnic minority wanted to dress up as Billy the Kid for Halloween, is that not also cultural appropriation? Just wondering what you think about these
Hm. I don’t think it’s okay to wear crosses as fashion statements because they’re a really huge part of a religion and it’s just disrespectful. I don’t really know who Billy the Kid is but he just seems to be a criminal or something? I don’t really think that’s cultural appropriation because it’s a specific person. If I, as a POC, were to be like “ok dressing up as a white girl for halloween haha starbucks and crocs” or something, that’s pretty fucked up, just like if a white girl were to be like “haha dressing up like a black girl for halloween” because that’s stereotyping and generalizing an entire culture/race. Whereas if I were to be like “i’m gonna be miley cyrus for halloween” there are like specific things i’d be wearing that are irrelevant to her race. I think that makes sense.
are you kidding. OF COURSE IT'S NOT OKAY TO WEAR BINDIS IF IT'S NOT CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITUATION. the bindi is extremely important within my culture, and it doesn't deserve to be marginalized into a fashion statement or to be worn casually. the significance of someone else's culture should not be an accessory to ur hip-ness. only wear it if it's actually RELEVANT TO THE SITUATION is that too much to ask for seriously.
Why did you delete the VH post? I think it's great you called her out on it.
i’m planning on making a bigger post bcus i got a ton of messages questioning why it’s not okay to wear bindis and though i’m probably not the absolute best person to ask, i’m gonna talk about what i know on the subject of cultural appropriation and why it’s really not cool. :]
For the first time this summer, Winter Tangerine Review is opening a workshop for poetry and prose writers. This workshop will allow its participants to work and collaborate with other talented individuals from around the world, respond to bi-weekly prompts from Winter Tangerine editors, and create a variety of new drafts to edit with fellow workshoppers and WTR staff.
The intensive four week program will focus on creating and editing new works, experimenting with style and imagery, and critiquing peer work.
Participants will be given a weekly syllabus of assignments such as reading selected works, writing response pieces, as well as writing pieces off of prompts, writing in limited time frames, and writing with certain restrictions. Critique is a major component of the program, and the ability to respectfully give and receive criticism is necessary in order to succeed (not just in the program, but in life!).
The program is for serious, talented writers looking to take their work to the next level. WTR’s Writer’s Workshop Program will not focus on classes and “teaching” writing, but rather immersing the participants in high-quality poetry and prose, and in turn, triggering pieces of writing.
The WWP will be held from July 1st to August 15th. The entire program will be held online, Applicants may decide between poetry and prose. The application requires a statement of interest and a creative writing sample of up to ten pages of work in poetry, prose or a mixture of both. There is no age limit or requirement, and no experience is necessary.
do litmag editors check (like via google or whatever) to see if submissions they're considering has appeared elsewhere, like in another magazine? or do they just take the word of the author that it hasn't?
i personally don’t, but i have been in situations where i’ve found pieces wtr has accepted or is considering published elsewhere and i’ve just rejected them and told the author that it’s a disrespectful thing to do. also, one of my friends who runs a journal published a piece and then the author tried to publish the piece again with first publication rights and he (my friend) just told the author off basically. it’s just fucked up and rude, don’t do it lmao. don’t try to like trick publishers because at some point you’ll get caught and there’s kinda an unwritten blacklist of people who do shit like that and you really don’t want to build that kind of reputation for yourself.
why would he buy more cigarettes if he doesn't smoke them? and what if someone gave him that cigarette pack when he was younger? it's hard to say it's cliche when something like that has never been written before
what? i think you misinterpreted my post
1. when you put a cigarette in your mouth like 10 hours a day it gets wet and gross from spit and sometimes it gets crushed and bent and just generally cigarettes are not the most durable of objects. it’s rly fuckin unlikely that he’s really using the same cigarette day in and day out.
2. never said it was a cliche?? i said that if i met someone who bought cigarettes specifically to have people question him so he can explain this long annoying metaphor like good bye i don’t want that level of pretentiousness in my life
4000 just seems like too much. If the expenses of WTR are that painfully high why don't you cut expenses instead of asking people to donate more money to a journal that hasn't proven to be successful enough to maintain itself? Seems like a bad investment, too much supply, too little demand.
i don’t think we’ll make 4k and i’m very ok with not making 4k. i’d rather our goal be 4k and we end up with 1k, rather than our goal be 1k and we end up with 500 dollars. if you think wtr is a bad investment then don’t donate. wtr isn’t a business, it’s not meant to be something to invest in and make a profit from. i mean all i’m trying to do at the end of the day is keep this journal afloat so we can continue to share great writing and art.
the donations that we get are from people who really believe in what we’re doing and in the arts and are appreciated by us so so much. :]
I blessed myself inside your arms one day Swear to God there I was when the dress And the Silver buttons fade away Miss Mary Mattress, geriatrics Fuck me into open caskets, I wanna die with this I wanna stop seeing my psychiatrist She said “pill pop, baby girl cause I promise you, you tweaked The empty bottled loneliness, this happiness you seek” The masochism that you preach Practice back flips, tragic actress On a movie with no screen When the only time he loves me is naked in my dreams